What's on your mind?
What is on my mind, is something that is on my mind for years now. It is something I read a few years ago in a book by a Dutch writer, George Bode. His thinking is mainly based on the thoughts of a French philosopher, Jean Carteret. As far as I know, nothing is written on paper by Carteret, but Bode wrote a book called: "Het poëtische denken van Jean Carteret". A book in which Bode tries to give an impression of the thought process of Carteret.
Deeply hidden in that book was the following (english translation of the dutch writings of a french thoughtprocess, so something might get lost here):
"At a certain moment Carteret was very impressed by a line in Jungs book 'Man and his symbols': Matter and psyche are two aspects of one and the same phenomenon.
Superficially from this comes that matter obvious is the visable side of the psyche.
But if one stays in this stage, it becomes a formula and becomes a presence where you cannot go about. That never happened to Carteret, therefore was his analysing quality to good.
His second association by the phrase of Jung was: matter and psyche are sort of the same, but matter is also energy.
Coming from this scientific fact, he then formulated: the energy in the matter can be seen as workable infinity, an infinity in action. And matter is a condition of limitation.
So there is a couple of matter/energy and besides that there is also the psyche. But psyche also is invisible like energy. Psyche, which is an inner concept, asks for a fourth concept, that is to the psyche what energy is to matter.
The search for this fourth concept could start, a search which could take weeks, sometimes even months. But also sometimes only a blink of an eye.
The latter was wat happend here. Suddenly he thought of something from the psychiater Lacan about language. And apart from how Lacan meant that, he had found his fourth concept to use in a dialectic.
He formulated it about this: Matter is the 'condition' of 'limitation' from an 'infinity' in 'action' (energy). Psyche is just like energy an 'infinity' but a 'condition' of infinity. And language is the 'condition' in 'action'.
Because the psyche is the oceanic infinity and the ocean does not move, while on the contrairy the rivers do. So the psyche is the condition of infinity of which language is the 'condition' in 'action'.
So on one hand as a physical aspect of the world, there is the couple matter/energy: a condition of limitation and an infinity in action.
And on the other hand, complemantairy to that and as a metafysical aspect, there is the couple psyche/language: a condition of infinity and a limitation that can work on that actively.
The result of that, if maximum, is poetry and if this does not work then there is the language that totaly drawns in the actual unspeakable of the psyche, which gives the mystical."
This kept getting around and around in my head for years, and as I was searching for a language to describe the human development, I decided to use body for matter. For energy I used spirit and the language became mind. The psyche Carteret talks about is something I thought could be translated with soul.
For action and condition I used active and passive, and infinity and limitation became potential and structure.
Spirit = active + potential
Body = passive + structure
Mind = active + structure
Soul = passive + potential
Or in one line: The Body is the passive structure of the active potential Spirit, as the Mind is the active structure of the passive potential Soul.
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I like your spirit of inquiry, and I like your one-line summary of this inquiry.
Clearly we often think about the same things!
Thanks for sharing this.
Blessings, OM Bastet
Yes, I noticed these past few days that you think about the same things as I do. Fortunately for me you are capable of thinking and writing at the same time, which gives me a great view at that thought process.
For me this process is much more an inner process, I can only give words to it when it is clear to myself, when it is nothing more than an abstraction of the whole inquiry.
But maybe it will grow on me, as I am so much enjoying the dynamic processes here at Gaia, especially the exchanges at the ongoing symposium, which have exactly the depth I like.
like a flower opening up, to embrace its rain, and absorb its sunlight…we open up…and are integrated within our life process…beautifully…much joy to you*
Embracing the rain and absorbing the sunlight, that's exactly how it feels being at Gaia. How amazing actually, because it's all nothing but words.
But then again: “True words are to thought as pure notes are to music – both capable of expressing the mysteries of the soul.” -Laura Teresa Marquez (one of the first quotes I found when I arrived here).
Maybe an environment like this is needed to be capable of producing ‘true words', coming from souls with each individual experience. And like the body needs the sun, the soul needs those words. To absorb as well as to express.
i never thought about it in that way, but yes i suppose you are correct…but it is only the meanings that we give those words…and within that process, much about ourselves can be revealed…much joy to you…*
Yes, I totally agree that it is all about the meaning we give those words. The right words at the right time and the right place are what make them ‘true', I guess. It is all about intention and context.
But the meaning can stay hidden, like when you read something again much later and then suddenly, you ‘get it'.
So maybe it doesn't have to be the right time. Just the right place, like notes in beautiful music. To be received by each one of us, at our own right time.
actually, it is our perception that deepens, and is allowed to 'pluck' the deeper meaning from the depth of being…
when i labeled myself a christian (many years ago), the scriptures had a surface meaning…now when i recall them, because my perception is less limited, i am understanding them at a 'deeper' level…so in a very real sense, you are correct…the right time and place is within our deeper understanding of awareness…we are so conditioned by our beliefs, so when we begin questioning them, challenging them, only then do they crumble, and we are left in that open space of awareness, in clarity…
thank you for this thread Anne…you have a very different way of expression, maybe due to homopathic understandings? it is very helpful…always, star…